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Re: kernel sound
>>>>> BH == Bernard Harper <bernard [at] norfolkpark.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>> Sam Simpson wrote:
>>
>> > Having to recompile your kernel just to get sound up
Hm? Yes, I do recompile my kernel once I have sound up and running,
but I figure out what's going on with modules. I believe that works
with both 2.0.3x and 2.2.x kernels.
Documentation is a problem. To get my SoundBlasterWhatTheFuckY2K (or
whatever it is) running, I had to pop in a half-dozen modules, but you
oughta be able to automate it. (Commercial OSS seems to have managed
this pretty well, but I can't download that off Debian. ;-)
And it's definitely not obvious what order the various modules have to
get plugged in, but again this should be automatable.
>> > running is the second main reason why Linux is a long way
>> > from being able to challenge Win in the desktop market - ppp
>> > being the first. How can a person new to the OS be expected
>> > to learn about it through exploration when they don't have a
>> > fully configured system to play with? A friend a mine to whom
>> > I introduced Linux (rh6) has just told be he's jacking it in,
>> > having exhausted his initial enthusiasm in the struggle for
>> > ppp sound configuration. He'll try Linux again, he says,
>> > when basic stuff like this is as straightforward as it is
>> > with Windows.
In PPP as in sound as in everything, Microsoft extracts a
compatibility tax from every vendor and every ISP. And they still
don't always work! Certainly Windows works more often than Linux
does. But given the resources spent on it, it should.
Plus the fact that being compatible with Microsoft often means
delivering broken service to the rest of the world.
But that's ok, as long as your computer is an appliance, like a
blender for making Margaritas, to you. I refuse to treat my silicon
friends that way, though.
BH> Sorry folks, but Sam's right!
BH> I have tried RH 6.1. Wiv bad results. I have a 13.6gb hd that
RH 6.x is a bad choice. RH doesn't have the muscle to force vendors
into line that MS does, but they act as if they did. This works well
for their primary marketing targets, VARs and ISVs. (For those of you
who were wondering how RH can get away with it and whether they'll see
the light---they target people who buy top-of-the-line hardware that
complies with real standards, and no, it's more important to them to
have the bleeding-edge stuff in the kernel 'cause the VARs want it
than for it to work on _your_ hardware. That's been my experience,
anyway---usually the old bugs are fixed by the next release, but
unfortunately I have new cheap slightly weird hardware by then.)
BH> was a bitch configuring. Sorry about that,but it was.....
BH> Sounds, well, now't! Try and try again but no sound. Me
BH> Printer don't work ... Epsom printer. No U.S.B. support.
Epson wants NDAs; you won't find good Epson drivers in anything free.
USB I dunno nothing about. Coming soon, I suspect.
BH> I'm sorry, the truth is that any newcomer that tries Linux at
BH> the moment may be put off because they are expecting a similar
BH> installation setup to MSWindows. Having to partition the
BH> drive in the first place is to encourage disaster among the
BH> unknowing.
You don't have to partition the drive, although all of the current
distributions except Caldera (which seems to be one of the preferred
ones for fugitives from Windows these days) pretty much demand that
you do.
Not partitioning the drive also invites disaster, I've seen it happen
often enough.
BH> As for me, well, I will be sticking to Windowz until I can
BH> setup Linux first time and get what I need.
Which is the right way to think, sad as I am to admit it. Although I
have yet to get Windows to work right the first time (except when
installing bunches of boxes all identical---the second box, curiously
enough, usually goes smoothly). It's been years since I didn't have a
working Linux system in the time it takes to load and configure the
system off the media, though.
Admittedly, I have a fair amount of experience with Linux by now. The
thing that seems weird to me is that there is no learning curve for
Windows! You just never get any better at dealing with it! With
Windows, in my experience, you get it right first time, or you don't
get it right until you buy new hardware :-/
So for me the comparison actually goes the other way around.
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