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Re: [Sheflug] Re: Suggestions of distro?
* Chris J (cej [at] nccnet.co.uk) wrote:
>
> Will wrote:
> >
> > I have to disagree on that - OpenBSD is a very harsh install. IMO
> > most Linux users would not have seen anything quite like it before.
> >
>
> Then Richard scribbled:
> >
> > No, it's easy to install. The instructions are on the inside of every
> > CD that you buy from the Open BSD people.
>
> It's a half and half. If the user is technically minded, then OpenBSD will
> install quite straight-fowardly. The difficult part with OpenBSD is the disk
> partitioning as on x86 architecture you have to partition the disk with a
> *single* partition (well you can use two or more, but that gets interesting),
> and within that one partition you create a disklabel - it doesn't use
> "standard" partitions, per se.
Or when it says "Use entire disk for OpenBSD [y/N]" say Y :)
> On other UNIX boxen however (alpha, Sparc) you go straight into the disklabel
> editing as they have no concept of partition tables ... on x86, its a BIOS
> nesscesity (aka limitation).
>
> But the fact that you have to set up your partitions within a partition may
> be confusing to start with (think of it in terms of physical partition and
> logical partitions and it will then make a bit more sense). Confused me when
> I first installed Open, but once I knew what it wanted, it all clicked into
> place.
The FAQ and install stuff is really well written, I think.
The only problems I've had (with the two installs I've done recently) have
been down to hardware (one failed cdrom, 2 failed 3c509 nics).
> The rest of the install is a doddle though. "Enter hostname" ... "Enter IP"
> ... "What timezone are you in" ... questions.
>
> > I had to read a BSD book and all the
> > BSD sites to get to the point where I could get Open BSD to work with
> > ISDN and then come the day of installation of the ISDN drivers I
> > found out that I was being told that it they just don't work.
> >
>
> Patches do exist for OpenBSD to use ISDN ... but only if you want to use 2.8
> or lower. The ISDN maintainer got no feedback from people, and there seemed
> to be a general apathy towards the feature. They probably /were/ being used,
> but he wasn't getting any interest from the OBSD mailing list, thus dropped
> support as no-one seemed to be interested.
>
> > This is in contrast with Net BSD and Free BSD which are quite a good
> > bit friendlier.
> >
>
> The OBSD ISDN drivers were/are ports from NetBSD. Open actually nabs a lot of
> code from Net ... although Open has now dropped ipf from its source tree as
> it came from Net originally and the license terms aren't particularly
> brilliant.
They dropped it because the license changed in an incompatible way.
IPF came from Darren Reed originally, it just happens that *BSD chose to
incorporate it.
> Thus, there's a fair change under the hood to the firewalling for
> Open 3.0, and some grammer changes needed to the filter and NAT rulesets you
> have.
>
Not many, most for the better IMHO (being able to list
ports/hosts/protocols in a single rule, is *nice*).
> And before anyone asks what the changes are, I'm still running 2.9 on my
> firewall ... but I'm looking at 3.0 on the Sparcs and one Alpha box I have
> here. I will know more about the grammer changes a couple of months down the
> line maybe :)
>
My router is running 3.0-stable, and I have a machine here (x86) running
-current, but I'm not much help regarding grammer changes, since I
haven't used it for packet filtering before now.
--
[ Richard Lowe - richlowe - richlowe [at] richlowe.net ]
[ http://www.richlowe.net/ ]
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