Re: Gtk and bowsers [sic] [was: Opera for Linux ]

[Will Newton <nospam [at] misconception.org.uk>]

"Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull [at] sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> tapped some keys and
produced:

> Um, well, the fact is that Gtk simply threw out a decade and a half of X 
> development, and is entirely incompatible with everything else in the 
> X11 world at the event loop level.  Not to mention that it can
> only handle one display at a time.

I've seen several UI systems that have a similar event model.
 
> If what you want is Free-Win32-API-on-Linux (nothing wrong with that, 
> IMO, in fact it's desperately needed if we want to put Linux on more 
> than a few of the desktops currently sporting the world's ugliest 
> anti-aliased splash screen---but it is most definitely not something I 
> personally can live with for my editor or browser) Gtk is for you.

Details? Mozilla and mnemonic (plus a few other projects) are creating
browsers for GTK. 
 
> Including crashes.  I would be willing to bet a round at the necxt 
> Sheflug meeting (even if I can't make it, as seems likely ;) (knowing 
> next to nothing about it except what those who are currently submitting 
> a bid to port XEmacs to Gtk are saying, which is a fair amount) that 
> part of Mozilla's problem is non-robustness in the Gtk
> event handling stuff.

That's a bold statement. Look at the Mozilla bug database and tell me that's
GTK. Mozilla sucks under Win32 as well. 
 
> BTW, as one who lives in XEmacs, I have to say that my XEmacs browser of 
> choice is M-x shell RET lynx RET.  w3.el is just too slow on anything 
> slower than a P-III 450.  And its internals put lynx to shame.  Not to 
> mention that it will happily tell you that its own home page is done in 
> BAD HTML!

Lynx is OK for some things (like not crashing) but is just too limiting
when you hit a site that requires JS and frames to navigate properly.

 

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