Re: [Sheflug] Re: Hypercard

[Will Newton <nospam [at] misconception.org.uk>]

On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Matt Fairtlough wrote:

> am not
> looking for something powerful enough to create a full-fledged Web
> interface
> for a company or whatever.  Not particularly bothered about databases.

Most "Publishing Systems" for Linux/U*IX seem to be database backed for
better or worse.

> 1. one which generates pages readable from Windoze, Solaris
> and Linux under IE, Netscape and other major browsers, not necessarily
> Java enabled.  No excluded HTML constructs.  Adding HTML code to

Making sure your HTML is compliant to HTML4 (there are lots of HTML
validators available, see www.w3c.org).

> 2. a simple scripting language, something like Hypertalk.  Objects such
> as buttons tables fields links graphics layers etc have scripts and are
> first-class entities at least from that point of view.  If it integrates
> well
> with Java, so much the better, but the more powerful the scripting
> language
> the more difficult that would be to do.  Java itself as a scripting
> language:
> too low-level for my needs.

Have you seen Jython? (or JPython, as was) It's a Java Python interface,
and makes Python truly "the language Java should have been". i.e. not
another K&R style mess.

> 4. some predefined backgrounds (style sheets/themes/ what have you)
> and easy ways to create new ones and modify old ones

Not seen many packages that come with anything useful. The usual fluffy
clouds and divot-hitting golfer clip art style stuff, but nothing of much
use as professional design. Even Dreamweaver is crap in this respect IMO.

> 6. Decent publishing features (publish just what has changed etc) which
> don't
> require the user to manually track all the new, old, irrelevant or
> changed files.  A way to indicate which files are to be published and
> which not.

The Linux solution would be to use CVS for your website. It might not be
to your taste. :)

> I'm intrigued by the idea of 2-way links but I don't have any idea what
> Xanadu
> is or how it achieves them.  Hypercard has/d only 1-way links I think.

Xanadu (or some version of it) is available from somewhere. :)
www.xanadu.org is offline, ah, www.gzigzag.org is where it's at. I think
Xanadu disappeared and is now zig zag, or something. :)


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