Re: [Sheflug] https

["Stephen J. Turnbull" <nospam [at] sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>]

>>>>> "Al" == Alex Hudson <eah106 [at] york.ac.uk> writes:

On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

    Al> Neither's 'www'. I think it's just a poor naming scheme; I
    Al> assumed www==http and ssl==https, but obviously that's not
    Al> strictly correct ;)

True; I let www == http go because for practical purposes (despite the
fact that FTP, gopher, etc are really members of WWW) it's pretty
close.  SSL on the other hand has a dozen "well-known" (at least to
Debian) services layered on top of it, some of which are clearly
distinct from WWW.

    >> finally, you can do `while 1; do ping -c 1
    >> www.interflora.co.uk; sleep 15; done'.  Hm?

    Al> Doesn't that mean the link will never go down, even when he's
    Al> finished using it? You'd have to ^C it, I suppose?

Yup.  If he knows how long he will use the link, for i in `seq 1 $MIN/4`
should be substituted for the while 1.

I was just assuming that keeping the wife happy was worth the risk of
running up a big phone bill.  :-)  Certainly is in my case.

    >> Uh, Al, what was that you were saying about "reassuring
    >> buttons"?

    Al> AFAIK, he's operating diald from commandline / rc.d, I don't
    Al> really see what point you're making?

(1) If he doesn't know how to do this, evidently he set it up from a
    GUI lacking the necessary buttons, no?

    Al> For some jobs, GUI interfaces are not only more intuitive,
    Al> they're more productive. People don't use them just because
    Al> they're pretty, there are more in-depth UI issues than that.

I've told you twice that I don't dispute the productivity or
(sometimes) the intuition of GUI.  For my usage, they are typically
not that much more productive, nor does their intuition correspond to
mine.  Where they are productive or intuitive, I use them.  I
certainly hope that people whose luck is better would use them fairly
often.

What they are _not_ is educational.  Most GUIs are very incomplete,
and excessive GUI use is highly correlated with inability to deal with
a crisis.

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