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Re: [Sheflug] telnet as root?



On Sunday 14 October 2001 11:04, you wrote:
> > IIRC, you can get a 'unixlib' for use with gcc on riskyos, and I think a
> > lot  of stuff ports over a la Cygwin. Once you have gcc and a basic c
> > library  though, it's usually just a matter of..
> As I'm a virtual non-programmer, this approach is a non-starter. 

Well, you don't necessarily need to be a programmer to actually compile and 
run stuff, although it obviously helps a lot. But, I was thinking more 
actually running unix stuff other people had compiled:
	http://www.mirror.ac.uk/collections/hensa-micros/local/riscos/unix/
.. which requires unixlib.

Usually, a good way of getting into things is to follow a build-it-yourself 
guide (http://www.forwiss.tu-muenchen.de/~dehmel/DIY.html, for example) and 
see how far you get. The first few times you attempt it, you probably won't 
get anywhere. Then, for some reason, something usually clicks and everything 
starts working.

> The free GCC tools for RISCOS are not newbie-friendly

I think you can delete the 'for RISCOS' part ;)

> Maybe I'll take-up the challenge again with the Linux tools.

It's a lot nicer environment on Linux. I'd advise KDevelop myself - learn C++ 
and do things in KDE. It's probably the fastest way to get non-trivial things 
working, which will do wonders for the confidence - you actually feel like 
you're achieving things. There are a number of decent books too (see the 
Sheflug book review pages, for examples). 

If you want to do something with immediate practical implications, you could 
go to ActiveState and get a copy of Komodo and do some stuff in Perl. Doing 
CGI for webpages can be good fun, and Komodo is a decent Perl environment. 
Perl looks a bit frightening at first, then you realise it isn't, and then 
you realise it's powerful. perlmonks.org is a good resource too (just avoid 
Obfuscation and golf - that will scare you ;)

Cheers,

			Alex.
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