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Re: [Sheflug] Linux and Windows
Ben Spencer wrote:
On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 04:32:31PM -0000, George Rammos wrote:
Downloaded Mozilla 1.0 Final (too new to be on the DVD or SuSE's FTP Server)
a few minutes ago, decompressed it, but I had to log out and log in again to
run the installer (su did not do it) and then try to find my way around on
how to add a shortcut to the Applications Menu. To you it probably is 2 min.
To me it was more like 20 mins.
I guess we just have different perspectives. For one thing, my system
doesn't have a start menu or anything resembling it. Anyway, out of
interest I downloaded Firefox 1.0 (which I assume is what you're
referring to), and had a go. I didn't bother su-ing, just installed
it as myself in my home directory and it worked fine (I don't know why
the Mozilla team prefer these silly installer programs to the
established package formats, mind you).
The start menu thing is really down to the fact that the people who
wrote the installer know nothing about what distribution or desktop
you're using - and of course this problem can be got round by waiting
for a packaged version to appear for your distro.
I don't use Windows a lot, but on modern versions don't you have to
log in as Administrator to install stuff?
Precisely my point. The Bazaar environment we are talking about is at
the same time Linux's success and drawback. There isn't an
all-size-fits-all and that's why ease of use will be somewhat
overstretched when in the same sentence with "New user" and "Linux". I
am not saying it is not easy for someone who knows, but in windows a
monkey can install MS Office.
The problem isn't that I have to "su". I expect this. But I did not want
to install firefox in my home dir. Other people will have to use it too.
I could give permissions to that dir I guess, but the point is that the
same thing in Windows took no time. As far as Admin rights are
concerned, you can run the app as admin, even tho you are logged in as a
user.
By no means I am rubbishing Linux. As Alex said, I will get used to it
(and I am well into the process :-) ). Linux is different. It took me 2
months to get used to drive from the right hand side of my car. Not
better driving. Not worse. Just different. Mind you, large roundabouts
still drive me crazy.
Alex, I cannot agree more with you on apps that are bundled with my
distribution. It does it all with a mere mouse click and what lies
beneath is of no concern to me and that is how it should be.
Yes, I did mean firefox by the way.
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